.:09·50·59:. «FQM-guy» see you're still doing the lame size propers huh?
.:16·46·31:. «Me» just releasing them at the correct size
.:16·46·45:. «Me» quality is the priority for us
.:16·47·01:. «Me» and as per the standards, anything over 60 minutes should be 700Mb
.:16·47·25:. «Me» so if we did 350Mb, we'd be sacrificing qualioty for speed, which isnt what we're about
.:16·54·05:. «FQM-guy» yes, but if you've ever even glanced at the tv release rules
.:16·54·11:. «FQM-guy» you would know that propering for size is not allowed
.:16·54·13:. «FQM-guy» its not a technical flaw
.:16·56·05:. «FQM-guy» even if there are "standards", they're just guidelines
.:16·56·13:. «FQM-guy» and since rove is just moving heads
.:16·56·15:. «FQM-guy» 350 is plenty
.:16·56·32:. «Me» you're right about the guidelines
.:16·56·34:. «Me» i agree
.:16·56·35:. «FQM-guy» but even if it looked like utter, absolute, blocky shit
.:16·56·39:. «FQM-guy» you STILL can't proper
.:16·56·46:. «FQM-guy» without being lame
.:16·56·49:. «Me» well like oyu said, they're only guidelines
.:16·56·55:. «FQM-guy» because thats still qualitative
.:16·56·59:. «FQM-guy» no, thats not quidelines
.:16·57·04:. «FQM-guy» thats tdx2k2 rules
.:16·57·07:. «Me» and for a group claiming quality over speed, 350Mb 68 minute eps is lamer than a size proepr
.:16·57·08:. «FQM-guy» that all groups follow
.:16·57·10:. «FQM-guy» except you
.:16·57·38:. «FQM-guy» we didn't do it smaller for speed
.:16·57·48:. «FQM-guy» we did it smaller because there was no gain in quants going at higher size
.:16·58·00:. «FQM-guy» err, do you know what i mean by quant?
.:16·58·05:. «Me» of course
.:16·58·28:. «Me» but i do feel quality difference is very obvious
.:16·58·35:. «Me» as you can see by comparing samples
.:16·58·40:. «Me» and therefore, is worthwhile
.:16·58·50:. «FQM-guy» then internal
.:16·58·52:. «FQM-guy» thats the point
.:16·58·58:. «FQM-guy» propers are only for technical flaws
.:16·59·08:. «FQM-guy» as you would know if you'd ever read tdx
.:16·59·18:. «FQM-guy» here, let me quote for you
.:16·59·29:. «Me» i follow tdx
.:16·59·43:. «Me» mostly :)
.:16·59·48:. «FQM-guy» oh you do huh?
.:17·00·14:. «FQM-guy» ¦    - Propers are ONLY permitted in the case of a technical flaw with the   ¦
.:17·00·16:. «FQM-guy» ¦      original release (i.e. Bad IVTC, Interlacing, etc).                   ¦
.:17·00·17:. «FQM-guy» ¦    - Releases not nuked on release lists and/or sites MUST include         ¦
.:17·00·17:. «FQM-guy» ¦      original sample of technical flaw.                                    ¦
.:17·00·17:. «FQM-guy» ¦    - Qualitative propers are not allowed, nor are propers based on         ¦
.:17·00·17:. «FQM-guy» ¦      decisions made by a ripper (i.e. # of CDs, AC3 or MP3, etc).          ¦
.:17·00·34:. «FQM-guy» [03:26:02] > ¦    - Qualitative propers are not allowed, nor are propers based on         ¦
.:17·00·34:. «Me» qualitative (i.e.ad source)
.:17·00·38:. «FQM-guy» [03:26:02] > ¦      decisions made by a ripper (i.e. # of CDs, AC3 or MP3, etc).          ¦
.:17·00·40:. «FQM-guy» [03:26:02] > ¦    - Qualitative propers are not allowed, nor are propers based on         ¦
.:17·00·40:. «FQM-guy» [03:26:02] > ¦      decisions made by a ripper (i.e. # of CDs, AC3 or MP3, etc).          ¦
.:17·00·40:. «FQM-guy» [03:26:02] > ¦    - Qualitative propers are not allowed, nor are propers based on         ¦
.:17·00·41:. «FQM-guy» [03:26:02] > ¦      decisions made by a ripper (i.e. # of CDs, AC3 or MP3, etc).          ¦
.:17·00·41:. «FQM-guy» see
.:17·00·41:. «FQM-guy» :P
.:17·00·43:. «Me» qualitative doesnt mean grossly undersized
.:17·00·50:. «FQM-guy» actually, i believe it says
.:17·00·54:. «FQM-guy» ie.e # of CDs
.:17·01·00:. «FQM-guy» which we chose 1/2
.:17·01·00:. «FQM-guy» and you chose 1
.:17·01·08:. «FQM-guy» ergo, qualitative
.:17·01·16:. «FQM-guy» size is not technical
.:17·01·18:. «FQM-guy» as it clearly states
.:17·01·52:. «FQM-guy» and it also specificly says qualitative, meaning "you're doesn't look good enough because its too small, so here's a bigger one"
.:17·01·58:. «FQM-guy» thats qualitative
.:17·02·08:. «FQM-guy» because someone else may go "no, it looked fine at that size"
.:17·02·33:. «FQM-guy» whereas technical flaws are clear-cut
.:17·02·38:. «FQM-guy» either you ivtc correctly, or you didn't
.:17·02·48:. «Me» so if a group chos 175Mb, you wouldnt proper?
.:17·02·53:. «FQM-guy» no
.:17·02·54:. «FQM-guy» we can't
.:17·02·56:. «Me» thats pathetic
.:17·03·06:. «Me» thats why guidelines != rules
.:17·03·07:. «FQM-guy» it is what it is
.:17·03·14:. «FQM-guy» there used to be a pdtv group
.:17·03·18:. «FQM-guy» that did way undersized rips
.:17·03·22:. «FQM-guy» and lol didn't proper
.:17·03·28:. «FQM-guy» unless there was something technically wrong
.:17·03·40:. «FQM-guy» neither did any other group proper
.:17·03·42:. «FQM-guy» no, thats where its different
.:17·03·47:. «FQM-guy» tdx = scene RULES
.:17·03·51:. «FQM-guy» other stuff is guidelines
.:17·04·02:. «FQM-guy» if you don't follow tdx, you start to get shitlined on sites
.:17·04·37:. «FQM-guy» so please stop with the lame size propers
.:17·04·43:. «FQM-guy» before it really starts bothering us
.:17·04·48:. «Me» well release them at a sensible quality then
.:17·04·50:. «Me» like i said
.:17·05·01:. «Me» we arent about anything more than bringing high qualiuty releases to the scene
.:17·05·08:. «FQM-guy» we'll continue to release them how we feel they should be
.:17·05·19:. «FQM-guy» and you can internal if you feel another copy should be out there
.:17·05·21:. «Me» and we'll continue to release them how tdx feels theyt should be
.:17·05·23:. «FQM-guy» but propering is just wrong and lame
.:17·05·29:. «FQM-guy» and your name is starting to get a bad image
.:17·05·31:. «FQM-guy» lol
.:17·05·37:. «FQM-guy» tdx says they should be internal
.:17·06·23:. «Me» well if you encoded it better it would probably be acceptable
.:17·06·30:. «Me» but your process makes it look poor besides the size...
.:17·06·44:. «Me» if we did it at 350Mb it will still loook better than yours
.:17·06·51:. «FQM-guy» well we have tweaked the process
.:17·06·55:. «FQM-guy» and it will be better in the future
.:17·06·59:. «Me» good stuff
.:17·06·59:. «FQM-guy» but even if the quality is bad
.:17·07·03:. «FQM-guy» you STILL CAN'T PROPER
.:17·07·05:. «FQM-guy» :)
.:17·07·07:. «FQM-guy» thats just life
.:17·07·11:. «FQM-guy» and the purpose of internals
.:17·07·16:. «Me» we obviously take it less seriously than you
.:17·07·34:. «Me» our priority is simple good quality episodes
.:17·07·39:. «FQM-guy» err, if you take it so lightly, why not just internal and be done with it?
.:17·07·49:. «FQM-guy» you obviously care enogh to proper
.:17·07·53:. «Me» because it's the first reasonable quality release
.:17·08·07:. «FQM-guy» INTERNAL
.:17·08·09:. «Me» do VCDs if you dont vcare about quality
.:17·08·11:. «FQM-guy» whats the matter with internalling?
.:17·08·17:. «FQM-guy» if people want it, they'll get it
.:17·08·19:. «FQM-guy» if not, oh well
.:17·08·24:. «Me» i wasnt gonna proper rove, but i had 6 people tell me yours sucked and they wwanted better
.:17·08·27:. «Me» thats why i did
.:17·08·37:. «FQM-guy» well then they can download the internal :)
.:17·08·38:. «Me» they asked for proper, and since im here to provide good releases, i did it
.:17·08·51:. «FQM-guy» well you're tarnishing your name
.:17·08·55:. «FQM-guy» and starting to piss us off
.:17·08·59:. «FQM-guy» so i was jsut giving fair warning
.:17·09·02:. «Me» wwell im sorry
.:17·09·05:. «Me» but it wont change
.:17·09·19:. «FQM-guy» ok then
.:17·09·25:. «FQM-guy» guess we'll have to take other measures
.:17·09·25:. «Me» if you follow tdx's suggested sizes, we will internal
.:17·09·29:. «FQM-guy» later
.:17·13·04:. «FQM-guy» there's a reason that they labelled that specific line as "suggested"
.:17·13·18:. «FQM-guy» because its just a guideline, unlike everything else, like proper rules
.:17·13·34:. «FQM-guy» certain shows (like rove) require a LOT less bitrate to compress well in xvid
.:17·13·39:. «Me» well it's outdated
.:17·13·45:. «Me» and rove looks crap at that size
.:17·13·50:. «Me» for vcds maybe
.:17·13·56:. «FQM-guy» well i was involved in the 2k4 discussion
.:17·14·00:. «Me» but with pdtv/hdtv sources now, the quality diff is very opbvious
.:17·14·04:. «FQM-guy» and there was no talk of removing that as just being a suggestion
.:17·15·02:. «Me» if you're so concerned, why not just release at 700Mb then? it is cleasrly preferrable
.:17·15·14:. «Me» and we only propered due to demand for it
.:17·15·32:. «FQM-guy» 6 people is demand? heh
.:17·15·50:. «FQM-guy» because, as i said, 700meg didn't increase the quants, which means its a waste of diskspace
.:17·16·13:. «Me» go compare samples then..
.:17·16·23:. «Me» dsrips look better than your rove
.:17·16·36:. «Me» it's a discrace when u claim quality as priority
.:17·17·02:. «FQM-guy» you know what, whatever
.:17·17·07:. «FQM-guy» keep up the lame propers
.:17·17·16:. «FQM-guy» we'll just look forward to the day you're scene-banned
.:17·18·45:. «Me» look forward to what you like, but the scene is made up of people that download things, andf this is what they want to download
.:17·19·05:. «Me» thats why our proper wasnt nuked as unnecessary
.:17·19·14:. «Me» and thats why we will continue to proper when your quality is lacking
.:17·19·21:. «FQM-guy» it was some places
.:17·19·22:. «Me» and thats why we will continue to proper when your quality is lacking by such high amounts*
.:17·19·31:. «FQM-guy» yeah, and you only make it harder for people to download your stuff when you get banned from sites
.:17·20·09:. «Me» a few sitees im on lately have blocked all .au except ATV and BiA
.:17·20·28:. «Me» because they want watchable releases
.:17·21·52:. «Me» so are you a capper?
.:17·21·59:. «FQM-guy» guess they dont want that many releases..
.:17·22·11:. «FQM-guy» among other things
.:17·22·16:. «Me» .au capper yer?
.:17·22·23:. «FQM-guy» no
.:17·22·25:. «Me» ok
.:17·22·54:. «Me» well pass on the msg that aus idol is looking good now
.:17·22·58:. «Me» (quality)
.:17·23·05:. «Me» must be that new process u were talking about
.:17·23·25:. «Me» and mcleods was a jopke
.:17·23·41:. «Me» was that a screwy encode from hdtv? or was it pdtv?
.:17·24·12:. «FQM-guy» the one where you pointed to the two samples?
.:17·24·24:. «Me» the one that looks worse than an ffn vcd
.:17·24·36:. «FQM-guy» then i dont know which you're talking about
.:17·24·46:. «Me» well theres only 1 :)
.:17·25·15:. «FQM-guy» if you're talking about the one that you said "look, there's a pdtv sample and an hdtv sample and they look the same"
.:17·25·20:. «FQM-guy» thats because they were the same
.:17·25·38:. «Me» that wasnt the point
.:17·25·43:. «FQM-guy» capper started with pdtv in the name and then realized that he forgot to type hdtv instead
.:17·25·47:. «FQM-guy» and left both samples
.:17·25·57:. «FQM-guy» but either way, another lame qualitative proper
.:17·26·01:. «Me» it was obvious something like that happened
.:17·26·05:. «Me» lol
.:17·26·14:. «Me» clearly we care differently about quality
.:17·26·31:. «Me» why not go release some 5Mb movies?
.:17·26·35:. «Me» where do you draw the line?
.:17·26·42:. «FQM-guy» maybe we'll just proper you with 2CD rove
.:17·26·47:. «FQM-guy» where do you draw the line?
.:17·26·49:. «Me» just follow the suggestions, and put some care into your work
.:17·27·01:. «Me» FQM-guy: like i said, i draw the line by following the suggestions
.:17·27·08:. «FQM-guy» just follow the rules, and stop the lame propers
.:17·27·18:. «FQM-guy» rules > suggestions
.:17·27·21:. «Me» we will proper if we believe we have good rwason
.:17·27·35:. «Me» and our proper will be nuked if we were wrong
.:17·27·50:. «FQM-guy» if this continues, its gonna go beyond nuking
.:17·28·28:. «Me» lucky we havent been nuked yet then :)
.:17·28·32:. «Me» not scene nuked anyway
.:17·28·41:. «Me» (for a not needed proper)
.:17·28·56:. «Me» thanks for your concern
.:17·29·04:. «FQM-guy» its not concern
.:17·29·06:. «FQM-guy» more of a
.:17·29·08:. «FQM-guy» warning
.:17·29·14:. «FQM-guy» but take it as you will
.:17·31·15:. «Me» i take it as a group that is too lazy to put effort in getting cranky because another group makes them look bad for it
.:17·31·48:. «FQM-guy» as i said, as you will
.:17·32·11:. «Me» when we stop getting approx 5 site affil requests a week and stop getting siteops/groups requesting decent quality rips to 'show fqm how it's done', then we'll feel the need to be warned
.:17·32·24:. «Me» until then, w e will continue doing our job properly and thoroughly
.:17·32·34:. «Me» i suggest you do the same
.:17·32·50:. «Me» have a nice day
.:17·33·08:. «FQM-guy» thanks
.:17·33·11:. «FQM-guy» you too
.:17·33·27:. «Me» oh, btw, i like your us stuff ;)
.:17·33·33:. «Me» know when new SP is due?
.:17·35·11:. «FQM-guy» no i'm not sure